Curse

DarkSpirit · Jun 22, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by Tyla

As for the SH, Dark, I'm going to stick by this: Your skills have a heavy recharge time, and your damage mitigation is minimal in that build unlike the SS build. I would only consider a nuker like that in TanknSpank, and in Hard Mode the yellow numbers from elemental damage have decreased easily.

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Originally Posted by The Meth

SH does decent damage. Then you are stuck with a useless character for 20s. Thats a fun situation. Splinter does barely less base damage, is armor ignoring (though I think some people overestimate enemy armor, its not THAT much greater then player armor), also has the player's base damage added in, non elite, 5s recharge. Did I miss anything?

Sabway is a slow offensive build, beating it in killing speed doesn't mean much.

SH is not meant to be spammed, otherwise it would be grossly overpowered. But that's ok. It gives the caster a chance to cast the other skills like RI, Searing Heat, and Teinai's Heat in the meantime. Defeating mobs, with the least amount of casualties, in the shortest amount of time is the main goal of PvE.

Trvth Jvstice · Jun 22, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01

I use the N/A Assassin's Promise, MoP, Barbs,etc Curse build on my Nec - and I'm pretty sure that with Olias's minions, Little Thom and [Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support] pounding the enemies, there couldn't be better AoE, or mob DPS. As I said, I wouldn't use the Curse build on a hero, so it doesn't really apply here, but I couldn't ignore Tyla's comment that Splinter mele is the best source of AoE damage.

ccruzp · Jun 22, 2008, 09:03 AM // 09:03

-Necro bar is bad, you dont need 1/2 of it to keep him alive and ur wasting better utility skills/secundary, dark bond and mystic regen are by far not needed,if they are actualy seeing use its becouse ur ele is making the monsters scatter form minions and come to your backline.
-Ele bar is bad since ur w8n on recharge and again you dont need 1/4 of a bar and a secundary to stay alive, u should go by w/ a fully useful bar even if u only use the 2 hero henchs, aura of Restoration and Mystic regen are both useless for reasons already posted,only way i can see aoe work in HM would be to use mindfreeze but unless u plan on bringing more then one aoE ele i dont think its very pratical, i know Metero shower is there to hold monsters in place but it fails for that reason for anything other then bosses, second bar is a lil better but still its bad just.. bad, adding key utility skills will totaly outdo 1 less dmg skill.
-the monk bar is bad since i all heal and no e-man and ur counting on blood ritual wich could be easily ditched for something useful. imo the standard N/Rt has more then enough Direct heal, conditin removal, party wide heal, and e-management, the only Prot u have can be subed for weap of warding only reason i ever go monk is to make a heal/prot hybrid in wich case its 1-2 heal skill and the rest of the bar prot, not the other way around, ur just giving your hero more bad skills to use instead of that elite on a 3 sec recharge

Imo its a bad team build cus its just as effective w/ you using only 1/2 - 3/4 of your bars, thats enough reason to rethink it. Lack of Enfeebling blood/ splinter is also another reason.

DarkSpirit · Jun 22, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

This is what I have been using:

[build name="SH Ele" prof=E/Rt fir=12+1+1 ene=8+1 res=2 cha=10][Savannah Heat][Searing Heat][Teinai's Heat][Rodgort's Invocation][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Fire Attunement][Splinter Weapon][Death Pact Signet][/build]
[build name="Jagged MM" prof=N/Mo blo=3 death=12+3+1 sou=9+1 hea=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Horror][Animate Shambling Horror][Foul Feast][Infuse Condition][Death Nova][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]
[build name="DA Paragon" prof=P/N cur=5 spe=11+1 comma=4 mot=8+1 lea=10+1+1][Aggressive Refrain]["Go for the Eyes!"][Vicious Attack][Enfeebling Blood][Defensive Anthem][Ballad of Restoration]["They're on Fire!"][Signet of Return][/build]

...use the hench healers.

EDIT: Updated with runes info.

Insignia
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MM uses MM Insignia on body and legging, BloodStained on the hand, Survivor and Vitae on the rest.
Paragon uses Centurion on body and legging. Survivor and Vitae on the rest.
Ele uses Survivor and Vitae on the rest.

Best Vigor rune that you can afford, for all of them, of course.

ryu_okunato · Jun 23, 2008, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

This is what I have been using:

[SH Ele;OghkowMYoIqDZlYUE7FIDcBGL5C]
[Jagged MM;OANEQTxW2JtUNFcUlAuIgGY0UVB]
[DA Paragon;OQSlcUlrJdio64utwBZ7wEmD3jl3]

...use the hench healers.

wat runes/insignias r u using wit tat?

The Meth · Jun 23, 2008, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by ryu_okunato

wat runes/insignias r u using wit tat?

wut r u tryng 2 say, we spek english here.

The rune setup should be perfectly obvious. Whether you use minor/major/sup is up to your discretion.

DarkSpirit · Jun 23, 2008, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by ryu_okunato

wat runes/insignias r u using wit tat?

Updated my post above with that info.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=225

ryu_okunato · Jun 23, 2008, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by The Meth

wut r u tryng 2 say, we spek english here.

The rune setup should be perfectly obvious. Whether you use minor/major/sup is up to your discretion.

1. tats not always true for these cases
2. i don't know about wat the insignias are

Trvth Jvstice · Jun 23, 2008, 06:08 AM // 06:08

Forum rule #9. Do Not Abuse the English Language

Insignias

ryu_okunato · Jun 23, 2008, 06:28 AM // 06:28

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

Forum rule #9. Do Not Abuse the English Language

Insignias

i didn't but ok

ryu_okunato · Jun 23, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

This is what I have been using:

[build name="SH Ele" prof=E/Rt fir=12+1+1 ene=8+1 res=2 cha=10][Savannah Heat][Searing Heat][Teinai's Heat][Rodgort's Invocation][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Fire Attunement][Splinter Weapon][Death Pact Signet][/build]
[build name="Jagged MM" prof=N/Mo blo=3 death=12+3+1 sou=9+1 hea=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Horror][Animate Shambling Horror][Foul Feast][Infuse Condition][Death Nova][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]
[build name="DA Paragon" prof=P/N cur=5 spe=11+1 comma=4 mot=8+1 lea=10+1+1][Aggressive Refrain]["Go for the Eyes!"][Vicious Attack][Enfeebling Blood][Defensive Anthem][Ballad of Restoration]["They're on Fire!"][Signet of Return][/build]

...use the hench healers.

EDIT: Updated with runes info.

Insignia
======
MM uses MM Insignia on body and legging, BloodStained on the hand, Survivor and Vitae on the rest.
Paragon uses Centurion on body and legging. Survivor and Vitae on the rest.
Ele uses Survivor and Vitae on the rest.

Best Vigor rune that you can afford, for all of them, of course.

A couple more questions, what other henchman do I bring? What do I put the heroes on?

DarkSpirit · Jun 23, 2008, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by ryu_okunato

A couple more questions, what other henchman do I bring? What do I put the heroes on?

I usually bring Mhenlo, Lina, Herta, and Zho with this build. 40/40 is good. Paragon uses sundering spear of fortitude (Strength and Honor inscription) and Motivational Shield of Fortitude (Sleep now in the fire inscription).

payne · Jun 23, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

This is what I have been using:

[build name="SH Ele" prof=E/Rt fir=12+1+1 ene=8+1 res=2 cha=10][Savannah Heat][Searing Heat][Teinai's Heat][Rodgort's Invocation][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Fire Attunement][Splinter Weapon][Death Pact Signet][/build]
[build name="Jagged MM" prof=N/Mo blo=3 death=12+3+1 sou=9+1 hea=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Horror][Animate Shambling Horror][Foul Feast][Infuse Condition][Death Nova][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]
[build name="DA Paragon" prof=P/N cur=5 spe=11+1 comma=4 mot=8+1 lea=10+1+1][Aggressive Refrain]["Go for the Eyes!"][Vicious Attack][Enfeebling Blood][Defensive Anthem][Ballad of Restoration]["They're on Fire!"][Signet of Return][/build]

...use the hench healers.

EDIT: Updated with runes info.

Insignia
======
MM uses MM Insignia on body and legging, BloodStained on the hand, Survivor and Vitae on the rest.
Paragon uses Centurion on body and legging. Survivor and Vitae on the rest.
Ele uses Survivor and Vitae on the rest.

Best Vigor rune that you can afford, for all of them, of course.

[skill]dwayna's sorrow[/skill] - from what I've seen heroes AI fails with this skill...other than that - if it works for you gg...personally I like ele with more e-management but I kinda like the para bar ;P weakness ftw!

DarkSpirit · Jun 23, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by payne

[skill]dwayna's sorrow[/skill] - from what I've seen heroes AI fails with this skill...other than that - if it works for you gg...personally I like ele with more e-management but I kinda like the para bar ;P weakness ftw!

It is kind of hard to fail in a cheap, spammable, AoE, enchantment that lasts for 30s per cast.

It is just there to provide some secondary healing and at the very least, is a cheap cover enchant and gets extra heals from EOTN Mhenlo's [[Dwayna's Kiss] and Lina's [[Dismiss Condition] if it is on party members.

ryu_okunato · Jun 24, 2008, 04:35 AM // 04:35

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

I usually bring Mhenlo, Lina, Herta, and Zho with this build. 40/40 is good. Paragon uses sundering spear of fortitude (Strength and Honor inscription) and Motivational Shield of Fortitude (Sleep now in the fire inscription).

For the henchman, which ones do I bring for other campaigns?

DarkSpirit · Jun 24, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34

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Originally Posted by ryu_okunato

For the henchman, which ones do I bring for other campaigns?

Haven't tried that new build on the other campaigns yet. But you should be able to tweak it on your own.

luwe80 · Jun 25, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by payne

[skill]dwayna's sorrow[/skill] - from what I've seen heroes AI fails with this skill...other than that - if it works for you gg...personally I like ele with more e-management but I kinda like the para bar ;P weakness ftw!

I agree on the ele bar. I would put in Mind Blast instead of SH. MB will let you spam RI. I'm not saying your build is fail, but it does run out of energy. Other than that little change, gj.

Marverick · Jun 25, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

I would just put [Glowing Gaze] in there to help deal with RI.

Heroes fail with Mind Blast. They spam it when they're low on energy and get even lower on energy. They also spam it on enemy eles and stuff.

ryu_okunato · Jun 25, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Marverick

I would just put [Glowing Gaze] in there to help deal with RI.

Heroes fail with Mind Blast. They spam it when they're low on energy and get even lower on energy. They also spam it on enemy eles and stuff.

wat would u replace for glowing gaze?

luwe80 · Jun 25, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

You could be right. I'm usually the ele and rarely bring other Ele heroes. If I do we're all running Searing Flames.

What would you change GG for?